Even when it wasn't topical at all, our Circle Christ the King organized in Segusino (TV) a conference on the dangers of some vaccines, involving the Association CORVELVA and its President Ferdinando Donolato. Let's talk about 2011…Now everyone's talking about it, science and politics are divided
Of Stefano Montanari

Source: Heretically
Interview by Roberta Doricchi*
– We can start with the interview given by our health minister to Vanity Fair magazine [https://www.vanityfair.it/news/politica/2018/07/11/ministro-sanita-giulia-grillo-vaccini-salvini-marijuana (N.d.R.)]?
SM – A mortifying manifestation. Beyond chatter and details about his intimate life which could at most be of interest to the less culturally equipped strata of the population, it is worrying what this lady, However, she graduated in medicine, external on vaccines. Let's say that she is poorly and poorly informed and let's stop there, perhaps adding that it wouldn't be difficult for her to acquire at least a little of the many notions that she doesn't seem to possess. But here we would need a little humility and perhaps authority. And also worrying is the fact that the minister completely doesn't care about what her party has made those understand, proudly, he voted for it. They are not few, Indeed, those who have fallen into the game of believing that the law on compulsory vaccination, crazy and illegitimate as it is, would have been repealed. Now these inconsiderate, naive voters find themselves complicit in a situation that is critical to say the least, having somehow signed up to a management that is a replica of the past one.
– In his opinion, because this seems like an about-face by the Movement 5 position?
SM – I personally know some of their representatives but that party is an indecipherable mixture in which there is a bit of everything. Right, the fact of having brought in a character like that man Guido Silvestri as a consultant on the topic of vaccines should have opened the eyes of those, on the ballot paper, he put the cross on the grillini symbol. Who the stars answer to is a question that should be asked. What is certain is that, if we consider certain positions now moved into oblivion on incinerators and what they said until a few months ago about vaccines and then compare them with the facts, many doubts arise, if you want, many doubts disappear. In fact, if we haven't fallen from the frying pan into the fire we're close.
– Giorgia Meloni also spoke out in favor of vaccines, citing the case of the volleyball player who vaccinated her daughter.
SM – I look forward to seeing their scientific results.
– What will happen when schools reopen?
SM – It would be like you asking me what will happen in a joke mental hospital. It is extraordinary to observe how a law could ever be taken for granted, from an elementary legal point of view, it's waste paper. Invented by a government that legally could not legislate outside of ordinary administration because it was clearly established against the Constitution, the law tramples that poor Constitution countless times, as it does with many international treaties and laws, those are not walkable, of medicine. The most incredible thing is that the judiciary does not intervene.
– In short, children will enter school or not?
SM – Excluding an unvaccinated child from school is illegal. Anyone who does so is simply a criminal. The magistrate who does not intervene is not doing his duty. But there is also the funny side. As anyone who knows a minimum of medicine must know and as the pharmaceutical companies themselves write, in many cases the vaccinated subject is a carrier of the disease for more or less long periods, even for life for diseases such as whooping cough. Because of this, once vaccination has been carried out, the subject must be kept in quarantine. Instead, kids are vaccinated and immediately enter school while, incredibly, the vaccinated person who carries nothing, is excluded. I am not surprised that this absurdity is taken for granted by the many families who are victims of the state subculture. I am even more amazed by the journalists who rage in the so-called means of communication. A bit of additional amazement for politicians but no justification for doctors.
– Speaking of vaccines, I assume you read the circular [http://www.fimmgroma.org/images/stories/documenti/n.%2020024_03-07-2018_Tetano.pdf([N.d.R.)] regarding tetanus vaccination.
SM – It becomes difficult to comment on a blunder like this. I wonder what happened to certain people at university a few decades ago.
– He gives me some comments anyway?
SM – According to that text, it seems to be difficult, don't ask me why, find the monovalent tetanus vaccine e, At that time, Anyone who wants or needs to be vaccinated against tetanus must also get a series of other vaccines in fruit salad including anti-diphtheria and anti-whooping cough. Already here we are at the point of rejection without appeal because those who have already overcome the disease are never vaccinated, consequentially, he became immune to it. But the circular also mentions the possibility of practicing a hexavalent vaccination, with this touching a further abyss. Tell, like some geniuses do every now and then, that a vaccination makes you even more immune is a joke that is equivalent to saying that if I shoot a dead person I will kill him more. Anyway, one of the foundations of pharmacology is that under no circumstances should a drug be administered for which there is no need. But here we are entering cultural terrain that perhaps goes beyond what the regime likes.
– There's more?
SM – Beh, Whoever wrote that circular perhaps doesn't remember that tetanus doesn't pass with a bite, least of all that of a human being. Writing this is embarrassing as it was embarrassing when Mrs. Lorenzin blurted out that tetanus was transmitted from grandparents to grandchildren. But then he was a culturally neutral character as far as medicine was concerned. I leave aside the rest relating to the transmission of Clostridium out of human pity. I'll add something obvious: if you suspect that Clostridium tetani has already entered the tissues, What, moreover, not really common, vaccination should never be carried out because the risk is to aggravate the situation. Any doctor knows or, at least, you should know that you never vaccinate someone who has the disease in progress. Also take into account the fact that any vaccine, if it ever works, requires a certain period of time to achieve some effectiveness.
– Staying with vaccines, it seems that vaccination against the Papilloma virus is being promoted. What do you say??
SM – Try asking the countless girls who have been damaged by it, sometimes very seriously. However, it is a useless vaccine even if it worked because the serotypes, at least theoretically, covers are very few out of the two hundred or so existing. Consider that cervical cancer due to papillomavirus can be diagnosed very easily years in advance and can be cured with a very simple outpatient procedure. Consider that among the many side effects of the vaccine there is also that of making women less fertile [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15287394.2018.1477640?scroll=top&needAccess=true (N.d.R.)].
– In his opinion, because it is pushed?
SM – The conspiracy theorist will tell you that it is to thin out the population. Perhaps, more banally, it is to increase the turnover of money.
– Last Wednesday we listened to Radio Studio 54 the intervention of that mother who reported that her son had been damaged by the meningitis B vaccine.
MS – A vaccine not only with efficacy that has never really been demonstrated but administered outside of any even remote indication and, according to what the lady says, without being informed. But it's now the norm: injecting vaccines always and in any case seems to be the mission of thousands of uncultured operators, without criteria and without morality. A couple of days ago I had a couple of parents in my laboratory with a child who became autistic immediately after the administration of a trivalent vaccine passed off as compulsory. Ma, naturally, the many thousands of completely normal children who became autistic a few hours after vaccination are imaginative inventions. The truth is that of the regime.
– Let's just change the subject. How's the fundraising for the microscope going??
SM – In ten months we have more or less reached 150.000 Euro.
– There's still a long way to go.
SM – Yes, but the figure reached is starting to be scary, given the reactions of the trolls who were unleashed on the many blogs, including mine [www.stefanomontanari.net (N.d.R.)]. Exactly what some people within associations that present themselves as "free vax" have begun to do is happening.: you are trying to block the collection.
– I “free vax”…
SM – Beh, it is a fact that keeping things as they are now is convenient for those, Anyway, you take something home. And we are undoubtedly disturbing elements.
– As far as I know, you know Senator Luigi Gaetti, grillino and undersecretary at the Ministry of the Interior. This is a doctor who worked with her. How did you know each other?
SM – When I gave conferences not too far from Mantua which is your home, he came to listen to me.
– How come now that she has an important parliamentary position he never invited her to Rome?
SM – When he was still an anatomic pathologist, we studied the first case with him, then published, of a child born with cancer to a healthy mother and, for the record, died about eight hours after birth. Then, became senator of Casaleggio and now in his third term, he immediately forgot about us. For goodness sake: it can happen. Yet we had seen each other repeatedly and, On the contrary, he also came to our laboratory a few times. It was him, precisely on one of his visits to Modena, to tell us for the first time about the cancer that cats develop at the injection site of vaccines.
– E, At that time, Grillo himself doesn't give you at least a hand in recovering the microscope, the head of his party, he had you taken away?
SM – I told you: It can happen that you lose your memory. And then there is party discipline.
– You will continue to give conferences to get to buy the microscope?
SM – Consider that I give away my work and I confess that I am very tired. Lectures lasting several hours are no fun at all, answering the same questions a thousand times is objectively boring, never have a Sunday to myself as well. Receiving insults in return, threats e, let's call them that, institutional obstacles, Then, it doesn't improve the situation. There are those who carry out regular disturbing actions by sending us the most incredible complaints, and sometimes we need a lawyer. Do you think that the trolls that infest the Internet even go so far as to claim that I would get rich. I have invited these characters many times to come to Modena where, with my permission which I will grant without problems, they will be able to go to the bank to check everything they want. Of course none of them ever materialized, preferring to continue the work of defamation which so incites gossips, failures and so on, Perhaps, it somehow rewards them. E, I add, Nobody, at any level, it materializes when I propose a comparison conducted with the rules of science. Ultimately, a match without opponents on the pitch.
– Ma, In short, she will continue to lecture?
SM – Give me a few weeks' respite. Then, in mid-September, there will be the first autumn conference in Vicenza.
– One of the usual questions is what you will do with the money raised if you do not reach the sum necessary to purchase and maintain the device.
SM – If we didn't make it, it would be proof that people deserve what they have. Go to hell and it's a pity only for the children who are not to blame for having parents who find each other. After all, this is a negligible figure if we consider the population, not just the world one, but also just the Italian one. Apart from that, if we don't get to what is necessary, finanzieremmo ciò che sarà compatibile con quando avremo raccolto.
– Per esempio?
SM – Per esempio continueremmo con la ricerca sulla leucemia mieloide acuta che ha dato risultati preliminari eccellenti e che è stata bloccata per punirci del fatto che mettiamo il naso nei vaccini, thing that, come è evidente, non ha nulla a che fare con la leucemia ma quello è il regime.
– Ma per continuare a lavorare avrete ancora disponibilità del microscopio almeno una volta la settimana a Pesaro?
SM – E chi lo sa? Il comodato d’uso tra Università di Urbino e ARPAM di Pesaro è stato prorogato al 28 February 2019. Quello che accadrà dopo è impossibile da prevedere, also because, con un atteggiamento su cui preferisco non esprimermi, we are never informed about the device that arrived at the University of Urbino simply after we obtained it with our own efforts, however not small, and without the University lifting a finger. On the rest, I'm silent.
– Just tell me how you will continue the research if you no longer have the microscope.
SM – We will go somewhere where a microscope suitable for us is rented. We have already done this in the past and I assure you that it is a nightmare. The costs are very high and a lot of time is wasted not only for transfers but to put the device in a condition to work for our needs.
– One last question: but that microscope gives 488.000 Euro he is trying to get is really necessary?
SM – It is the smallest among those that can do the job we need. Other solutions are useless and who, from time to time, claims to offer us this or that only wastes our time. Imagine that a doctor once wrote, of incompetent, halfway around the world that our analyzes are possible with an optical microscope costing a few thousand euros.
*of the social promotion association “Vita al Microscopio” (http://www.vitalmicroscopio.net/).