THE INTERVIEW WITH STEVE BANNON DE “THE TIME”
Bannon speaks, Trump's guru: “Ordinary people must rebel against the elites. Cool and 5 Stars have very innovative ideas”
Of Vincenzo Garzaroli
Everyone is looking for him, everyone wants to see it, they want to talk to us, a week in Italy and Steve Bannon launched his pan-European project “The Movement” in style, operational headquarters in Brussels, considered the power center of technocracy, together with the leader of the Belgian People's Party, Mischael Bluestone. Collects populist and sovereignist acronyms from all over Europe. He also last met Luigi Di Maio, ally and co-signatory of the government contract with Matteo Salvini.
Donald Trump's former strategist and guru of international sovereignty, the party of the brothers of Italy led by Giorgia Meloni was a guest in Atreju. Today Bannon decided to focus the episode on his political activities in Italy too, where he closely follows the Trisulti training school, in Ciociaria, the Dignitatis Humanae institute which was awarded a fee of 100 thousand euros the thousand-year-old Certosa, ensuring its maintenance and enhancement. The association, established in 2008 from the English Benjamin Harnwell, intends to train conservative and Catholic leaders with a course dedicated to Cardinal Martini and inspired by Cardinal Raymond Burke, signatory of the “Dubia”, the letter criticizing the Pope for his openness on the subject of divorce, abortion and supporter of Monsignor Carlo Maria Viganò, who denounced the Pope's alleged cover-ups for pedophiles in the Church.
So far only FdI has officially joined, while the League approached the initiative but, for now, informally. We met him in Rome, a few hours before his departure for the United States where he will follow the electoral campaigns of some candidates in the presidential mid-term elections, on November 8, decisive for Trump's future. His project in view of next year's European elections starts from Rome, from the Capital of Christianity he reiterates his strong bond with the President of the United States and as a Catholic he confirms his transparent support for those in the Catholic Church who criticize the political and economic thought of Pope Bergoglio.
“The Movement, (The movement) since it was founded together with my partner Michael, (etc. Blue stone), we have spoken to practically all the populist parties and governments in Europe 27, but no one ever talks about leaving Europe. So all these fears seem unfounded to me. What we have seen is a total rejection of Macron's policies, logical conclusion of Jean Monnet's European unification project, among the founding fathers of the Union. Macron's speech 2017 it's very clear, aims at further political, economic and financial market integration, in which Italy would be the equivalent of South Carolina in the United States. In short, these populist and sovereignist parties certainly do not want the breakup of Europe, but Salvini, Orban, Zeman in the Czech Republic and the National Front, they want a federation of independent states, with autonomous borders and customs. A concept made perfectly clear by President Trump in his speech to the United Nations: sovereignists versus globalists, Macron and Merkel represent the globalist agenda. Italians are an example of this reaction to globalism. After a tough electoral campaign, which I followed as an observer, especially the Five Star Movement and the League, with the involvement of young people and many people, these parties obtained almost two-thirds of the vote and formed a national coalition government, uniting North and South, populists and nationalists”.
“I due leader – Bannon continues – they were able to take a step back, both deputy prime ministers, Salvini, Interior Minister, focused on immigration, Di Maio, Minister of Economic Development, he focused on jobs. The ECB and Brussels have rejected this government coalition, supporting yet another caretaker government (ed. The failed attempt to have Cottarelli form a government), it would be like saying that Italians don't know how to choose who to govern them by ! It will be remembered as a defining moment in modern European history. Because we must remember that Italy is the seventh manufacturing industrial power in the world even today ! It is true that it is still suffering the economic consequences of the great international financial crisis, but for the reasons I mentioned it is at the center of the European scenario. This political experiment between Five Star and the League, who have decided to put their differences aside, demonstrates in an exemplary way the meaning of Trump's speech to the UN. Any decisions and acts of Salvini and Di Maio, not by chance, is attacked by the media that supports globalization”.
“The Italians – Bannon continues – they continue to support these leaders and put Italy first, because Italy, despite its debt and low economic growth, and the high burden of taxes will become a great country again. La Brexit, just as the victory of populist parties in the elections last March are inextricably connected episodes, the revolt of ordinary people against the elites of globalism. After all, two years after Brexit there is no agreement with Brussels and attempts are being made to terrorize people, talking about hard Brexit, difficult exit from Europe. The same goes for Trump, if he loses the congressional midterm elections, they will impeach him, and they will stop his government program. Even in Italy these forces are trying to steal your right to vote. Hence the attempt to settle public accounts, to restart investments to emerge from the crisis, will be hindered by these global powers who do not intend to get you out of the crisis, beware Italians!”.
Think that the Euro, the monetary union, the Schengen agreements, they will be able to hold up in the face of events such as a victory for populist parties in the European elections?
“It is a process of change, people need to understand that it took a long time to get to where we are. The European Common Market arrived after fifteen years of discussions immediately after the War, after the Marshall Plan, there are no magic wands. Also for Brexit, after two years of discussions that began from the moment British citizens decided to leave Europe, Nigel Farage ( promoter of the referendum in Great Britain ed) began to travel the country, saying no to a new vote, and even the Italians will at some point ask to re-discuss the Monetary Union”.
In fact, Unions cannot be made, like the monetary one, quickly, it takes time to adjust such different budget policies in individual countries.
“The result of the European elections will have consequences on the European Commission and also on the choices for the ECB, Macron wants greater integration, not only commercial and economic, but also politics. Nation states want to avoid integrations with consequences on immigration policy, they want to regain their sovereignty as nation states. Less integration, This seems like the logical conclusion. It remains to be seen whether it is possible to achieve further economic integration, just look at Norway, to Switzerland and Great Britain which do not have problems such as leaving a Union, because they have their sovereignty, their currency…”.
In Italy, with the separation between the Bank of Italy and the Treasury, budget problems began, with the growth of public debt and lower public investments, which got worse with the arrival of the Euro
“Italy must be recapitalized, people from the League like Armando Siri and Giorgetti, Salvini talks about a flat tax on 15%, a concept linked to growth, which the City of London and Wall Street understand well, these politicians talk about bringing investments back to Italy, but also to guarantee certainty on payments, those with high incomes, products of tax evasion, will have to start paying taxes… Italy has enormous unexpressed economic potential, Italians could potentially provide their saving capacity to restart investments, to bring back foreign investors, especially from the United States: there are very experienced people who are working on this with the League and the Five Star Movement and they will bring great innovative ideas. I'm from Wall Street, there Goldman Sachs, where people look at this type of thing, look at people who take action and solve things. Now there is the question of the budget, there will be a compromise on the maneuver, but Italy is of interest, look at Kors' purchase of Versace”.
Let's talk about the Movement, what is its final destination
“It will be an agile structure, with offices in Brussels where meetings can be organised, prices, where the populist and sovereignist movement can come together, discuss with economic experts, organize surveys that will be among the most sophisticated. So far the polls for the European elections have been very rudimentary, we will introduce very innovative tools, analytical, we will know where individual voters are, a bit like what happened with Trump's presidential campaign. But there were about twenty analysts there, in this case there will be a maximum of ten. Then there will be “war rooms”, teams of experts who will follow the news and will be able to help local populist parties respond quickly through social media to any negative messages communicated by the official media, we will make sure we can communicate directly with people, to voters, because the media is totally controlled by global power”.
How will you finance all this
“I will do some of it myself, in part there will be European financiers, Soros, our globalist adversary, he invested a lot of money, opened University, created Non-Governmental Organizations, I remind you that the Brexit campaign cost just seven million pounds. The elections in Italy did not cost more than twenty-five million dollars. Since television stations are excluded from the European elections, with five million dollars I will be able to have a great electoral impact”.
We are in Rome, here is the Vatican, a very important and global power, I don't think he's in favor of your movement
“Just think that last week there was a Church conference in which it was argued that the worst evil in the world is nationalism and populism, from this we can see how they are above reality and have detached themselves from everyday life. The Pope goes to Lithuania and on the first day attacks populism and nationalism, defines it as Evil ! Sit, people who want to maximize the value of citizenship, that demands sovereignty is certainly not the worst evil in the world, not even remotely! And this kind of judgment comes from a Pontiff who has just signed an agreement in which six million devout Catholics in China are sold, an underground Church, faithful to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, thousands of martyrs, a persecuted Church. He signs an agreement with the most totalitarian regime since the 1930s, much worse than the Soviets, which certainly were bad, but this is a totalitarian and murderous regime, then he deals with global warming and these are the projects that are dear to him! The Pope will have to learn a hard lesson, he is infallible in religious and doctrinal matters, but he is very fallacious when talking about politics and has been completely wrong since Trump became president. He is wrong on foreign policy, on Hungary (ndr sul Prime Minister Viktor Orban), when he attacked the populist and nationalist movement here in Italy, he is detached from the citizens of European countries and does not care. A few days ago he said that Europe has a demographic problem and that it will be solved by immigrants. No, instead, Europe needs to be populated with Europeans, eliminating economic insecurity, especially among young people. The Pope should help young people to form families and to do this the Pope should support governments like the Italian one, who are breaking their backs trying to fix the economic mess in which the globalist elite left the country after the financial crisis of 2008. He's on the wrong side, infallible on doctrine, but he is wrong about politics”.
“It's outrageous in a country that has rebelled against global power, voting for a nationalist and a populist party, a country that had the courage to say no to the government of the technocracy of Brussels, technocrats who, among other things they only make things worse. I would tell the Pope that in a country like this it is outrageous to hold a Vatican-sponsored conference in Rome where the center of this uprising is, during which it is said that you Italians, that you vote for populist parties, you are the evil of the world, especially in times in which the temporal institution of the Church is managed by the pontiff in a reckless way ! It is betraying the trust of the faithful. But I also believe that Archbishop Viganò is not right: the Pope must not resign, he is still the Vicar of Christ on Earth”.
What do you think of the speeches made in the past by the Pope on sick and murderous capitalism?
“The Pope, like all Jesuits, was influenced by the Frankfurt Marxist school, Marx lost on the economic front, but it won over that of culture, a radical rejection of the values of Christianity of Jewish origin. The Jesuits were infected by this culture and came up with the concept of “Liberation Theology”, a contagion that infected the Church in Latin America and the young priest Bergoglio was too. In his defense it must be said that he saw one of the worst examples of capitalism, the Argentine one, state-controlled capitalism, corrupt. Irony of fate, today the populist movements criticized by the Pope say no to that predatory capitalism attacked by “Liberation Theology!”.
“The Pope would do better to focus on the financial crisis that will explode in the coming years following the pedophilia scandal, because in a couple of years we will have a crisis related to the liquidation of the financial resources of the Church in the United States and Canada: the Church of Boston will have to pay one and a half billion dollars, so is that of Los Angeles, and that of Pennsylvania, the worst is yet to come, the Church will no longer be a temporal power because it will have to cede its properties. This should be his priority, should stop persecuting the Italian unity government and rising populist parties, it is the victory of secularization in Europe!”.
“I due leader – Bannon continues – they were able to take a step back, both deputy prime ministers, Salvini, Interior Minister, focused on immigration, Di Maio, Minister of Economic Development, he focused on jobs. The ECB and Brussels have rejected this government coalition, supporting yet another caretaker government (ed. The failed attempt to have Cottarelli form a government), it would be like saying that Italians don't know how to choose who to govern them by ! It will be remembered as a defining moment in modern European history. Because we must remember that Italy is the seventh manufacturing industrial power in the world even today ! It is true that it is still suffering the economic consequences of the great international financial crisis, but for the reasons I mentioned it is at the center of the European scenario. This political experiment between Five Star and the League, who have decided to put their differences aside, demonstrates in an exemplary way the meaning of Trump's speech to the UN. Any decisions and acts of Salvini and Di Maio, not by chance, is attacked by the media that supports globalization”.
“The Italians – Bannon continues – they continue to support these leaders and put Italy first, because Italy, despite its debt and low economic growth, and the high burden of taxes will become a great country again. La Brexit, just as the victory of populist parties in the elections last March are inextricably connected episodes, the revolt of ordinary people against the elites of globalism. After all, two years after Brexit there is no agreement with Brussels and attempts are being made to terrorize people, talking about hard Brexit, difficult exit from Europe. The same goes for Trump, if he loses the congressional midterm elections, they will impeach him, and they will stop his government program. Even in Italy these forces are trying to steal your right to vote. Hence the attempt to settle public accounts, to restart investments to emerge from the crisis, will be hindered by these global powers who do not intend to get you out of the crisis, beware Italians!”.
Think that the Euro, the monetary union, the Schengen agreements, they will be able to hold up in the face of events such as a victory for populist parties in the European elections?
“It is a process of change, people need to understand that it took a long time to get to where we are. The European Common Market arrived after fifteen years of discussions immediately after the War, after the Marshall Plan, there are no magic wands. Also for Brexit, after two years of discussions that began from the moment British citizens decided to leave Europe, Nigel Farage ( promoter of the referendum in Great Britain ed) began to travel the country, saying no to a new vote, and even the Italians will at some point ask to re-discuss the Monetary Union”.
In fact, Unions cannot be made, like the monetary one, quickly, it takes time to adjust such different budget policies in individual countries.
“The result of the European elections will have consequences on the European Commission and also on the choices for the ECB, Macron wants greater integration, not only commercial and economic, but also politics. Nation states want to avoid integrations with consequences on immigration policy, they want to regain their sovereignty as nation states. Less integration, This seems like the logical conclusion. It remains to be seen whether it is possible to achieve further economic integration, just look at Norway, to Switzerland and Great Britain which do not have problems such as leaving a Union, because they have their sovereignty, their currency…”.
In Italy, with the separation between the Bank of Italy and the Treasury, budget problems began, with the growth of public debt and lower public investments, which got worse with the arrival of the Euro
“Italy must be recapitalized, people from the League like Armando Siri and Giorgetti, Salvini talks about a flat tax on 15%, a concept linked to growth, which the City of London and Wall Street understand well, these politicians talk about bringing investments back to Italy, but also to guarantee certainty on payments, those with high incomes, products of tax evasion, will have to start paying taxes… Italy has enormous unexpressed economic potential, Italians could potentially provide their saving capacity to restart investments, to bring back foreign investors, especially from the United States: there are very experienced people who are working on this with the League and the Five Star Movement and they will bring great innovative ideas. I'm from Wall Street, there Goldman Sachs, where people look at this type of thing, look at people who take action and solve things. Now there is the question of the budget, there will be a compromise on the maneuver, but Italy is of interest, look at Kors' purchase of Versace”.
Let's talk about the Movement, what is its final destination
“It will be an agile structure, with offices in Brussels where meetings can be organised, prices, where the populist and sovereignist movement can come together, discuss with economic experts, organize surveys that will be among the most sophisticated. So far the polls for the European elections have been very rudimentary, we will introduce very innovative tools, analytical, we will know where individual voters are, a bit like what happened with Trump's presidential campaign. But there were about twenty analysts there, in this case there will be a maximum of ten. Then there will be “war rooms”, teams of experts who will follow the news and will be able to help local populist parties respond quickly through social media to any negative messages communicated by the official media, we will make sure we can communicate directly with people, to voters, because the media is totally controlled by global power”.
How will you finance all this
“I will do some of it myself, in part there will be European financiers, Soros, our globalist adversary, he invested a lot of money, opened University, created Non-Governmental Organizations, I remind you that the Brexit campaign cost just seven million pounds. The elections in Italy did not cost more than twenty-five million dollars. Since television stations are excluded from the European elections, with five million dollars I will be able to have a great electoral impact”.
We are in Rome, here is the Vatican, a very important and global power, I don't think he's in favor of your movement
“Just think that last week there was a Church conference in which it was argued that the worst evil in the world is nationalism and populism, from this we can see how they are above reality and have detached themselves from everyday life. The Pope goes to Lithuania and on the first day attacks populism and nationalism, defines it as Evil ! Sit, people who want to maximize the value of citizenship, that demands sovereignty is certainly not the worst evil in the world, not even remotely! And this kind of judgment comes from a Pontiff who has just signed an agreement in which six million devout Catholics in China are sold, an underground Church, faithful to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, thousands of martyrs, a persecuted Church. He signs an agreement with the most totalitarian regime since the 1930s, much worse than the Soviets, which certainly were bad, but this is a totalitarian and murderous regime, then he deals with global warming and these are the projects that are dear to him! The Pope will have to learn a hard lesson, he is infallible in religious and doctrinal matters, but he is very fallacious when talking about politics and has been completely wrong since Trump became president. He is wrong on foreign policy, on Hungary (ndr sul Prime Minister Viktor Orban), when he attacked the populist and nationalist movement here in Italy, he is detached from the citizens of European countries and does not care. A few days ago he said that Europe has a demographic problem and that it will be solved by immigrants. No, instead, Europe needs to be populated with Europeans, eliminating economic insecurity, especially among young people. The Pope should help young people to form families and to do this the Pope should support governments like the Italian one, who are breaking their backs trying to fix the economic mess in which the globalist elite left the country after the financial crisis of 2008. He's on the wrong side, infallible on doctrine, but he is wrong about politics”.
“It's outrageous in a country that has rebelled against global power, voting for a nationalist and a populist party, a country that had the courage to say no to the government of the technocracy of Brussels, technocrats who, among other things they only make things worse. I would tell the Pope that in a country like this it is outrageous to hold a Vatican-sponsored conference in Rome where the center of this uprising is, during which it is said that you Italians, that you vote for populist parties, you are the evil of the world, especially in times in which the temporal institution of the Church is managed by the pontiff in a reckless way ! It is betraying the trust of the faithful. But I also believe that Archbishop Viganò is not right: the Pope must not resign, he is still the Vicar of Christ on Earth”.
What do you think of the speeches made in the past by the Pope on sick and murderous capitalism?
“The Pope, like all Jesuits, was influenced by the Frankfurt Marxist school, Marx lost on the economic front, but it won over that of culture, a radical rejection of the values of Christianity of Jewish origin. The Jesuits were infected by this culture and came up with the concept of “Liberation Theology”, a contagion that infected the Church in Latin America and the young priest Bergoglio was too. In his defense it must be said that he saw one of the worst examples of capitalism, the Argentine one, state-controlled capitalism, corrupt. Irony of fate, today the populist movements criticized by the Pope say no to that predatory capitalism attacked by “Liberation Theology!”.
“The Pope would do better to focus on the financial crisis that will explode in the coming years following the pedophilia scandal, because in a couple of years we will have a crisis related to the liquidation of the financial resources of the Church in the United States and Canada: the Church of Boston will have to pay one and a half billion dollars, so is that of Los Angeles, and that of Pennsylvania, the worst is yet to come, the Church will no longer be a temporal power because it will have to cede its properties. This should be his priority, should stop persecuting the Italian unity government and rising populist parties, it is the victory of secularization in Europe!”.
